Porsche 911 Carrera 4, Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio and a chat with Jean Jennings

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In this week's Autoblog Podcast, Editor-in-Chief Greg Migliore is joined by Road Test Editor Zac Palmer, Associate Editor Byron Hurd and special guest Jean Jennings. The gang kicks off with a discussion about the cars they've been driving — 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4, 2020 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio and the 2020 VW Tiguan. They shift gears to talk about the latest news gleaned from a press conference concerning the 2021 Supra, then, they reach into the mailbag to help a listener buy a performance car. Lastly, Greg has a chat with special guest Jean Jennings.

Transcript

GREG MIGLIORE: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Autoblog Podcast. I'm Greg Migliore. We got a great show for you today. An automotive legend, Jean Jennings is going to join the Autoblog Podcast.

We're going to talk a little bit about everything, what she's been up to, serve the state of the car web and magazine world, and just, hey, what's going on in the car world? So we're going to talk to Jean coming up in a little bit, and we have a great show for you as well. Joining me today on the phones, we're always on the phones. We do this virtually is Road Test Editor Zac Palmer. What's going on, man?

- Oh, nothing much. Just looking at a very sunny, beautiful day. You know, it's been very nice, and I've been enjoying it in a nice, very green Porsche 911. How's it going with you?

GREG MIGLIORE: It's going great. I'm psyched to hear that 911 was green. I think that is a outstanding look on the 911. A lot of people like them in silver, or red, or any number of different colors. It's almost a cliche to talk about colors, if you will.

A green 911, I mean, I picture that different like movies even, you know? Like sometimes, the lead actor or actress is driving one, and it's just it's a really cool look. On the other line, Associate Editor Byron Hurd, who's been in the Alpha Romeo Giulia, how's it going, man?

- Hey, I'm doing pretty well. Had a good weekend with the Giulia. Took it out with a buddy who's got a 4c coupe, and we had a little fun riding out in the country. So no complaints.

GREG MIGLIORE: 4c coupe, that's an aggressive car. I had the option to drive one of those back from tech of the year back in like 2014. I'm dating myself a little bit here, and I ended up kind of, I think, passing on it. I sort of was like, I think my suitcase won't fit in there. Not because I don't love the car, which I do, but because I didn't want to spend three hours on the Michigan roads in late October, early November coming back from that. I think I ended up in a Mercedes or something.

- Yeah, it's a very punishing car. It's not a daily driver. That's for sure.

GREG MIGLIORE: Cool, but it was one of the key cars that helped bring Alpha back to United States. So those are the cars we're driving. I spent some time in the Volkswagen Tiguan. Nice looking crossover, very nice inside. Let's put it that way. I think it's a decent value. We'll dive a little bit into that as well.

For the news section, there was a news dump on all the things that are going on with the 2021 Toyota Supra. Little bits here and there, things that Zac is going to get into. He wrote the story, and then we will spend your money. So let's start off with the obvious one here, Porsche 911. What did you do with your green 911, Zac?

- Oh boy. I mean, I've been you know driving it as often as possible, because, well, spoiler alert. I love it, so this was the base Carrera 4 911, and I'll start with a price just to put everything into perspective. With options, mine was $128,400. So the car starts at about $104,000, so that's the base 911.

If you want the S, you roll that up into the $120,000 range. But you know, even the base 911, 379 horsepower, this thing just feels special from the get go. The second that you start it, it's loud, whirring, mechanical. The sound of that engine is truly unique in this world, and well, it should be. It's a flat six.

Driving around, as soon as you get the revs up past about like 3,500, 4,500 REM, it is just an utterly glorious sound. Mine actually had the sport exhaust on it, which I think is a must get from the options list. It gives you a dual mode, so loud and slightly less loud.

I had it in loud pretty much the entire time driving around, because it is spectacular. There's actually a couple different modes there. When you throw it into sport, you get crackles and pops. But when you throw it into sport plus, there's no crackles and pops. I'm guessing that Porsche considered that wasted energy, and they're like, well, you're in sport plus. You're on the track.

All right, this is the no crackles and pops for you. But no, similar to Byron, I drove it around with some friends tailing me. They're like, from the second you hit the gas, you hear just loud turbo spooling from the back. And then all of a sudden, the car just rockets away in front of you, and I think that that's super cool that you can actually hear the turbos from the outside of the car.

When you take off initially, there actually is a bit of lag, unless you throw it into launch control mode in case it revs all the way up to 5,000 REMs, slips the clutch perfectly. And it is actually like one of the hardest launches I have ever experienced. Porsche really, really goes hard with these things, and it's sort of like a hammer to the chest feeling.

And this is just the base 911 Carrera too. This is not the S. This is not the turbo or anything like that. It's still just is stonking fast. Then when you actually get it into the corners, it's one of the best balanced and best handling cars I have ever driven just flat out.

It's not as relentless as the S. I drove for us a few months ago, and that car, it's near super car fast. This car is more like Mustang GT, maybe just a few hairs quicker than that, like three to four times quicker at least from the [INAUDIBLE] I know. But just spending time inside this thing, it feels like a $128,000 car from the outside, from the inside.

Greg, you love the green. I love the green too. It's called avant terrain green, and it's sort of like a mossy earthy green color is the best way that I would describe it. Like out in the sun, it has a real sparkle to it, and you really, really notice it. But we had some gloomy days last week actually.

And on a cloudy, gray day and rain, the paint almost looks more gray than it does in green. So it's really sun dependent on how good this thing actually looks. But the interior, this, once again, Porsche nails it. The seating position, utterly perfect. You can see, it's like a big bubble in there.

The visibility, forward is fantastic. You have a big windshield, big side windows. You can actually see out the back. The blind spots are-- you know, it's a great car to drive fast. Because you feel confident that you're seeing everything around you, and then the actual interior design kind of reminded me of the 1979 Porsche 911 SE that my dad had when I was younger.

I actually learned how to drive stick in that car. But from the second I look at it, it's like the dash design, the door design. You know, it is really-- the shapes and the actual look and feel of the interior, it still kind of has that old 911 look to it, even though it's been translated into this super modern sports car with a big 10.9 inch touchscreen and digital displays on the dash.

I mean, you still have the five gauges in there. You know, it's all very simple, elegant. It reminds you of the past, but doesn't kind of stay in the past. I mean, it's just downright glorious to drive.

Like I said, I spend as much time as I possibly could in it for the past week. The only thing that would make me hesitate about this one is looking at the price of the new C8. I am very interested in trying that one out and seeing if it is 90%, 100%, 75% of the car for close to half the price.

GREG MIGLIORE: It seems like a really good comparison we should maybe pursue. That's exciting. I think there is something about, I think, a 911 that really just carries that like-- I don't know. Just that aura that might make me want it in a way that I would prefer it over any Corvette, and I really like the Corvette. I like the new one. I think it's going to be brilliant.

I haven't driven it yet, but I do think it's going to live up to the hype. And it probably is a better value. I mean, when you look at the price of the new C8, that's a screamin' deal, man. So I feel like Chevy is always going on that value proposition, but there is something about a 911.

Now obviously, I didn't drive this one. But every time I drive a 911, I come away with the feeling that there is no substitute. You know, I'm always kind of taken with it. Not only with the current car, but with the history. You can sort of feel the blood lines in it.

When I was talking about that shade of green, one of the reasons I like it so much is there is a 19, I think, 68 912 in the movie Spy Game that Robert Redford drives. And it's a really kind of like Cold War era sort of plot. It's a good movie, but he drives it. And he drives it when he quits, I think, the CIA or something. And he drives into the parking garage, and I think he's being tailed.

And you just watch him, and you're like, oh man, I mean, that is just like the definition of cool. And the 911 captures that. I think the 911 in green to really continue on this verdant tangent continues with that vibe. It's just subtle, and it's so cool. Byron, I'm sure you've driven 911's over your long career. What do you think?

- The last one I drove was a 991 S, and it was a PDK car. And I actually got to take that one out onto the track, and it's one of those cars that just communicates everything to you immediately. You never feel like you're out of touch with what the car is doing at any given moment, and it empowers you in a way. It gives you this feeling that with that machine, you can do anything you want, and it's comforting.

And it gives you confidence, and they're just magical, magical cars to drive. So yeah, I'm 100% in agreement with you guys. I haven't driven any of the new generation 911's. The last Porsche I drove, I think, actually was a Cayman, and it wasn't even the 718. So it's been a little bit, but I do remember them fondly.

GREG MIGLIORE: I do like the Cayman and the Boxster. I went on a couple of launches with them over the last couple of generations. Engagement cars, I think they're really handsome. They're lean cars. They're taught in a way that maybe the 911 is just proportionately, it's a bigger car now.

And I think that has caused some issues with purists, but cars are bigger now. I mean, I think that's just a point you sort of have to concede with the evolution of car sizes, you know? The three series isn't as small as it used to be 30 years ago. I mean, that's just how it goes.

But when I say, hey, there is no substitute, that's why I always keep coming back. Because I feel like as enthusiasts, we like to make these arguments. Like, well, what about the Cayman? What about the Boxster? What about the Corvette? Well, look at how brilliant the Miata is, and look how much that costs.

So at the end of the day, I do think there's better value, 100%. But if you want a 911, and I've said this before in Spend My Moneys and on the podcast, and I've written about this, you kind of got to get a 911. You just got to do it.

- Yeah, I know. I 100% agree with you. I mean, it's possibly-- I mean, and it always has been the standard for sports cars. And every time you get back in it and drive it, you're reminded, again, oh yeah, there is a reason why it is the standard for sports cars, you know? Anything you drive, a Mercedes AMG GT, I mean, anything even in that price range, you come back and hop in a 911. And you're like, yep, this is how a sports car is meant to be. These people designed it for people who love to drive, enthusiasts like us, and they hit the nail on the head pretty much every single time.

GREG MIGLIORE: So I think we're really in agreement on the 911. Next week, tentatively, I'm going to be getting an NSX. We were talking about this, Zac, this morning, or at least Autoblog is going to be getting one. And I feel like that's another car that you-- you know, my approach is you get into it. You really try and drink it in and sort of obsess, if you will, over the definition of it. Another car with a brilliant history, a lot of chapters in it.

Just a really interesting car, again, that you want to sort of immerse yourself in, and connect with, and drive for fun. But a model that I think is going to be a bit more divisive, at least it isn't the segment, is what Byron has been driving. That's the Alpha Romeo Giulia. Why don't you tell us? Spec it out. What are you driving, first of all? Which variant, if you will?

- All right, so I've got the big one, the Ford cheese, the Quadrifoglio. It's MSRP on it, I'm just sitting in front of the window sticker. But it's about 90,000. It's pretty well loaded up. It has just about everything but a sun or moon roof, I think, just based on what I got to play with. And this is the updated version that has the new 8.8 inch touchscreen infotainment system, which doesn't really replace, but kind of augments the old rotary dial setup that was in the old one.

It has new interior trim. The steering wheel coverings are new. It's got a nice, soft leather finish on it instead of that two piece with the weird kind of gap running the circumference of the wheel. They've made it feel a lot more upscale, premium, less like an entry level pretender to the luxury sedan segment.

It still has all the feel of the previous year, like it's still visceral, and emotional, and exciting. And it's one of those cars where when you're driving it along at normal speeds, you don't feel like you're moving. They've actually really gotten that piece of the formula down in a way that you don't necessarily expect, because Italian cars aren't necessarily known for being super refined.

They're exciting, and loud, and a little rough around the edges, if you like them for that. But this walks the line a lot more effectively than I thought it would, and this is the most time I've had behind the wheel of one of these. The last time I drove on was at a really brief media intro event, and I really only got a chance to take it on track for a little bit. So having some time to spend with this, it's really opened up my eyes to just how complete of a package it really is. And it's really made me want one, which is dangerous.

GREG MIGLIORE: So this is the 505 horsepower engine, which is really a brilliant engine. I think so some much fun to drive. Just to kind of really dive deep into that, what did you think about it? I always think it sounds pretty good. I believe it's Ferrari derived. I'll use that air quotes, but that's sort of like a-- Ferrari's engines are getting quite derivative, if you will. I feel like Maserati, Alpha, they're all kind of borrowing parts of it. But what was the feel of that motor?

- Honestly, it's very responsive, and it's very sleeper-ish, especially if you leave the car in the normal driving mode and you don't mess with anything. You just kind of cruise along. It's quiet. It doesn't really intrude. They added acoustic laminated glass this year, which, I think, actually reduces a little bit of the engine and exhaust noise that you would have gotten previously, which in a way contributes to the refinement of the engine.

Because you're not getting as much of that feedback, but it revs beautifully. It never feels like it's in the wrong gear. The power train tuning is perfect. It might be derived from a Ferrari engine, but it doesn't feel like one. It feels like an Alpha engine or like a more robust Fiat engine. It has that same kind of almost [? rotary ?] feedback that you get from like a 500 Abarth or from a 124 Spider Abarth.

But it's just dial down to the point where you feel like you're in a luxury car, but you can still call on it for that ferocious power delivery when you really want it. And it'll be there. There's no hesitation. It just goes, and I had a passenger in it for a little while. And they were shocked by the duality of that character, where you could go from it just being this smooth, luxury ride to, I need power right now, and it's there. And it's a remarkable machine.

GREG MIGLIORE: I think there's so many things I like about the Giulia. I think it's really a great design statement, especially in the higher terms, like the Quadrifoglio. I love the clovers on the front quarter panels. I think that's kind of a neat feature. I think this is a great car for Alpha Romeo.

The question is, is there really that much of a market for this sort of C segment sedan? Is it really going to take Alpha where they need to go? I don't know if it's done enough for them, but it's, I think, in some ways a very brilliant halo car.

Because it is so good at what it does, and it sounds like-- I haven't driven this version. But it sounds like they've addressed some of the shortcomings. Namely that infotainment, which was a nightmare the first time they rolled it out. This eight inch screen, is that essentially you Uconnect? Or is that a different one?

- No, it's still not Uconnect. In fact, most of the functionality really kind of carries over. In fact, I found when just cruising along that it was actually easier most of the time to use the rotary knobs still than it was to try to use the touch screen. The touch screen gives you a lot more flexibility.

You can rearrange the tiles. You can set it up so that you have more than one feature available on the screen at once. So you could have navigation and audio both up and operational at the same time. So you don't have to actually switch back and forth between them. That's all really handy, and the touch screen functionality makes that a little easier to do. But it's still not very responsive.

The graphics and the resolution aren't all that impressive. And honestly, when you're cruising along and you just want to find something really quickly, the knob is quicker and easier to do with minimal attention. Because it actually highlights the different tiles. You're cycling through.

Whereas with the touch screen, you just have to find it, reach out, and touch it. With the knob, it actually shows you what you're selecting, so you can actually do it using your peripheral vision instead of having to actually pay attention to what's going on. But they did add a lot of extra features. It's got a Wi-Fi hotspot now, over the air updates for the infotainment firmware.

So theoretically, they could make this system better, even for people who are buying right now. In a year or two years, they could introduce an update that actually streamlines it. So I'm not saying that they're promising that. In fact, I haven't even asked them whether that's on their radar. But it's something to consider if you're actually in the market for this car, but you were turned off by some of those features with the earlier model years.

GREG MIGLIORE: Cool. Where did you put this in the segment?

- I think for me, it's going to be a tie between this and the C63 AMG S. It's got the same kind of rougher around the edges feel to it that the Mercedes has. It doesn't quite have the level of all around dialed in performance and luxury that, I think, you get from an M3 or M4. But it's so close that it's really down to personal preference in this segment.

Maybe you're an AMG person. Maybe you're an M person. Maybe you've just been lusting after Alphas for years, and you wish they'd come back. And now, they're here. It seems really cliche to say there is no wrong choice, but they're all so good that it really does come down to the one that speaks to you the most in this segment. I don't think there is a wrong answer.

GREG MIGLIORE: Zac, where would you put this in the segment? I'm curious.

- I would buy the Giulia over all of them. Honestly, I am not one to get hung up by some of the less nice materials or the lack of a fantastic infotainment system. And I completely understand why somebody would go for the C63 with Mercedes great infotainment system or maybe like an Audi RS5. And those things are super luxurious inside and very nice.

But I think the ultimate driving, like the most savage, best sounding, best driving experience is the Alpha. I drove a 2019 Quadrifoglio last year, and I just fell in love with that thing. So yeah, that's one that I'd like to drive. And it sounds like they helped it along a little bit this year. You know, it's definitely not still going to be as refined as when BMW comes out with a new M3 and M4 or really as refined as the Mercedes and Audi.

But it's closer now, which might be able to be the last thing to get people over that fence. Plus I've been looking out there, and Giulia Quadrifoglio's are definitely getting more discounts then the others. So you can probably pick one up a lot cheaper than you could a C63 S or an M3.

GREG MIGLIORE: I would probably put the Giulia ahead of the M3. I just think from the driving experience and the looks, I think it wins hands down. It does start to fall a little short in the interior, and even Byron makes the case. The infotainment is better, but still probably not quite what we'd like it to be, especially when there is a wonderful one that it's FCA siblings use and would probably work just as well in the Alpha's.

Though, I have heard things about that maybe it's as adaptable as we might think. I digress. And then for me, it would come down to the Alpha or the Mercedes. And it could go either way. I think the Mercedes is an all around better car just because Mercedes right now are consistently excellent. C63 is right in that discussion.

Design's beautiful, motors are great. Interior's are amazing, too, of course, but I do think the Alpha is just such a jaw dropping car, especially in Quadrifoglio trim. You know, it'd be almost a coin toss for me, so very cool, very cool car. Any time I've been able to drive a Giulia, it's really easy to sort of-- you know, you kind of overcome some of the things about it that you're like, you know, why didn't they do this, or why did they do it that way?

But you get to drive an Alpha Romeo in 2020. It's like, that's a great thing, you know? So with that, we'll leave it there and just transition kind of to the consumer portion of the drives section. I spent some time in the 2020 Tiguan. It was the 2.0T SEL Premium with the R-Line finishings on it, which is nice. It had four motion all wheel drive, so it was a pretty nicely equipped Tiguan.

Tiguan, I believe, stands for tiger iguana, if you want to dust off that sort of smash up of the words from a while ago. Yeah, you know, it's-- fun probably isn't the right word. But it's a very nice crossover. I think it's certainly competitive in the segment.

The two liter and then the eight speed automatic, that is what they call tiptronic. It's a pretty nice power train. The interior was OK. I wouldn't say, even in like premium R-Line trim, it's about what you'd see on a Ford in the Titanium trim. It's probably nicer than basically any Chevy you would really get.

It's up there with some of the nicer interiors in the segment. This one was black leather, and then it was gray. Let's see. Let me see if I can find the thing. Gray metallic exterior, so handsome vehicle. And side note, the last couple of times I've driven Volkswagen's, I almost called the tiger iguana.

The Tiguan, last week, and boy, that would be an awesome name for a car, right? I'm going to take the tiger iguana to go get my essential groceries and prescriptions. Anyways, I had that, and I had the Jetta a week or two before. So I kept coming away with this impression, like, man, these are like diet Audi's. Like you're getting almost-- like they even look, I think, how Audi's used to look maybe 10 years ago or so.

Like Volkswagens are dressed up with these creases, these lines. Especially when you get into the higher trims, like the flashy wheels, you get more LED lights. And it's like at a glance, obviously, they're Volkswagen's. But you can also make the case that these feel more premium, I think, than they did maybe 10, 15 years ago, and I think that's an interesting sort of thought exercise.

Because Volkswagen-- and I'll give a hat tip to Jeremy [INAUDIBLE], who brought this up, a consumer editor. He mentioned this a couple of weeks back on the podcast, like Volkswagen kind of used to be this like premium thing. And now, they're really not. They're just like mainstream brand, and that's fine. You know, with the Atlas, with Crossovers, it's just they want to sell cars, and SUVs, and all that.

But maybe in the '80s and the '90s, they did try to act like, hey, maybe this is your stodgy professor car or you're somewhat upper crust, upper class car that you could drive a Volkswagen. And it might not look out of place in some nicer neighborhoods, even though they weren't that much more expensive. So this is a really long winded way of saying, I feel like Volkswagen is starting to feel a bit more premium after driving the last couple that I've been in the last couple of weeks here.

So I think that's probably a good thing for them. I think they've gone through a bit of a image crisis lately. Dieselgate isn't really what you want people to think of with your brand, and this is a good opportunity for them to reset. I mean, I think one thing that's-- I don't know. It's not a good or a bad thing. It just is the coronavirus is taken up so much of the oxygen that anything that was happening, like you tell me what the big story was February 1st.

And then is anybody thinking about it right now? Dieselgate to me seems like a generation ago, and the lawsuits, I think, there's still some of them out there. So I think there is an opportunity for Volkswagen to kind of say, hey, you do have this premium vibe in these sedans and these crossovers. And the Tiguan, the tiger iguana, and the Jetta have felt that way to me.

- Yeah, I know. I totally agree with you there. When you get a brand new Tiguan in its highest trim level, it really does feel like a diet Audi as you termed it. The interior has decent trim in there. The leather is nice. The actual just design of the car feels more upscale than, say, a RAV4 or CRV.

You feel like you're getting something that is just slightly higher on the echelon of niceness. So yeah, they've done a good job with design. They're tech in there helps too. They have the full digital dash with a pretty competent infotainment system as well, so that's a lot better than some of the Japanese brands can say. Because some of those are a bit of a mess when it comes to tech and interior design. So they prioritize maybe space and utility over the actual feeling of quality and pseudo luxury.

GREG MIGLIORE: I will say this. I think the value proposition on this specific one kind of loaded up, it's not great. It's 40 grand, a little bit over. That's a lot for a Tiguan to be honest. I don't know. There's other vehicles you could get. You could step into some actual luxury territory for that kind of money. Now you're not going to get as many bells and whistles as this one had.

And again, the average transaction price is usually quoted as about $37,000 for new cars in the United States. That was, of course, before pandemic times, so it's a reasonable price. I'm not saying that's not fair. I'm just saying, it's a lot of money for a Volkswagen Tiguan, you know? It's sort of like the same mental calibrations we make every time we test an escape platinum or something.

And you're like, oh wow, or a Titanium. And there's everything on there, but it's like, oh jeez, that's not cheap, you know? So yeah, I wish I could say I did a lot more handling and aggressive driving. But it was a Tiguan, so I didn't do too much with it.

I went to get gas for the lawnmower and was able to get some seat time in it. Yeah, I guess we'll leave it there. But getting back into the more exciting side of things, basically, a news dump on the Supra. Zac, you wrote this up this week. Take us through just some of the highlights. I guess that's the best way to do it.

- Yeah, so we got on a teleconference press conference. Because we don't all gather in big newsrooms these days and have big presentations shown to us. So instead, we got on a phone call with Toyota. And they gave us a few tidbits of news about the 2021 Supra, and basically, what they're up to.

Some of the more important news that we heard there is that Toyota is going to keep improving the Supra, like year after year after year. We saw that initially when the six cylinder already has more power. They completely retuned the suspension, but it sounds like Toyota is just going to keep doing that.

I mean, it was brought up in the call, like, hey, if you keep making these large wholesale changes to the car, is that going to upset the apple cart with some of the customers being like, hey, I just bought this 2020. Now, the 2021 has 14% more horsepower and all that stuff. And it's something that I suppose we're just going to keep seeing as Toyota-- you know, they really want to keep making the Supra more attractive every single year. And to that end, even more Toyota performance.

Jack Hollis was the guy running the call, the VP and GM at Toyota group. He also mentioned that there's going to be more GR's coming to the US, so we have the GR Supra. He didn't say which ones, but sort of teased that out there. We had heard that before, but it's great to hear that it is still on track.

That's going to be happening, and then we also got a few little tidbits about the relationship with BMW. Now we all know about the massive sharing of platforms and the relationship going on there. It's a lot of BMW under there with Toyota doing the final tuning, and Toyota basically confirmed that, hey, it is still working with BMW on every iteration, all the tuning.

They have people there in Munich all the time that are continuing to develop this car as the years go on, which that was just an intriguing tidbit to me, you know? The fact that all these engineers, it's going to be-- they're there for the long haul with this whole project and trying to make it better. And then the last tidbit that I learned there was when we're actually going to see these cars, and this also, again, goes back to the coronavirus.

Because, of course, the plant managed there that builds the Supra is currently shut down due to coronavirus. So weirdly enough, Toyota managed to get 400 off the line, 400 of the 2021 model year cars off the line. They're all N-Line 6's, and they'll actually be going on sale in June. But the four cylinder has not gone into any sort of production yet and won't until probably July.

So there will be sort of like a dual launch with a small number of 2021 N-Line 6's is coming first. So if you want the updated engine, you want the updated suspension from a 2021, there's a short, but very small supply that you can get initially. And then you'll have to wait a while, probably mid to late Fall for the four cylinder. So that's the long and short of the 2021 Supra, and what we learned at Toyota's latest press conference.

GREG MIGLIORE: Very cool. I think the Supra has obviously not been around that long, so I think it's refreshing to see that they are continuing to keep it fresh, if you will. And I'm intrigued. I think I kind of wonder if the Supra probably will be immune to this, but you never know just with car buying potentially really going into like the stone age for a month or two. I wonder if there might be some discounts, you know?

We published a story yesterday about sort of the future of car buying in the age of the coronavirus. I encourage you to check it out. It's written by Lawrence Ulrich. Very well done, noted freelancer. He Used to be the auto critic at the Detroit Free Press, in fact, and he's got a quote in there where it's like, "if you're in the market for a car, this can be a great time to buy."

And I know that's a little cheesy, if you will, but, I mean, for enthusiasts, where I sort of extrapolate that and translate that to is like, hey, you want to get a Supra. Again, there may not be any huge discounts, but there could be low financing. You know, this is your chance to maybe sort of get into that dream car that, if it's just normal, nonpandemic times, you're not going to get a chance to do.

The more power thing, I think, is cool. I think, obviously, everybody wants more power in their car, so that makes-- I think that's a logical move for them. And I do think production constraints are going to be an issue for Toyota, and of course, every other automaker. So we'll see.

- Yeah, I know. That point about the discounts, I was actually looking at Supra's on Autotrader and other car sites just randomly, like about a week ago. Because I was curious about that, like, hey, what kind of discounts are on sports cars these days? Maybe there's not big discounts on the C8's, but what about the Supra or the Civic Type R?

And I noticed that the Supra, actually, there were a bunch of them between about $3,000 to $6,000 off MSRP listed for sale out there that you could buy. And that is a pretty sizable discount for such a brand new car, and they weren't totally undesirable cars. They were optioned up, some less optioned. You could get them high 40s, which for a car that starts right around 50, that's not too bad.

I actually saw a couple of discounts on the Civic Type R as well, but that's probably because they're moving the updated 2020's. And maybe there are some straggling 2019's that people are not as excited to buy as they were at the start at least, but there weren't many of those. There were definitely far more discounted Supra's than any other car that I looked out there for enthusiasts specifically.

GREG MIGLIORE: Cool. So speaking of enthusiasts, how about we spend some money? We've got a good one here. Yeah, let's do it, so the writer sold his 2010 Camaro 2SS looking for a fun replacement. That's a good decade with the-- I guess that's the last gen Camaro. Fun car. I've drove that one many times.

Let's see. He's had the Camaro since '11. A bit of a tinkerer, he's done a few different things to it, so it makes just shy of 600 horsepower when it's all said and done. Well done, sir. That's impressive. Needless to say, mindset has changed a little bit. Love the car, but basically, he watched it depreciate in his garage. So he doesn't mind-- he's looking for something fun, I guess, is kind of the long and short of it.

He doesn't mind vintage cars, but open to things that could be modern or anything like that. I would prefer a manual and a bonus, if it does have the design sort of panache to stand out in a crowd. Here's the important parts. Budget is about $25,000, lives in Northwest Ohio.

So yeah, basically, that's the situation. Weather's not great there, but it's probably not going to be a car that's driven in the snow or anything like that. He's looking at a Lotus Elise, if he could find one at a decent price. That's intriguing. A '70s era split bumper Camaro.

Wow, that's awesome. I love that car. F Type, unfortunately, doesn't think he can get a V8 for that price, which is probably true. And that's basically the field. So 25 grand, Ohio, modern, past, or present. Spend the money guys. We'll start with you, Byron.

- Well, 25 grand, it gets you a lot of car depending on what you want. I get the feeling that what our listeners looking for here is something that just really jumps out and grabs him. And I don't know him well enough to say exactly what that might be. I know you could get into some '996, maybe early '997 911's for that price.

You can get in to '986, '987 Boxster's and Cayman's for that price, if you want something German. You've could get a Viper RT 10 from pretty much the first gen up to the end of the second gen. You can find them depending on mileage for under $25,000 pretty easily. That's a good seasonal look at me kind of car.

There are just so many options. I would say just scroll through an auction site, and see what's out there, and just wait until something really speaks to you. Because if it's not something you're going to drive very often, you want it to be something do you really want to drive when you do. And this is a purely emotional purchase, so go with your gut.

GREG MIGLIORE: That's a good one. I think that's a great way to spin it is, hey, this is such an emotional, visceral purchase. You got to find something that's really going to get you fired up. Zac, any suggestions?

- Yes, totally. I love that Viper suggestion though. I was going to say that my suggestion is the best, but I think that might actually be the answer. But my thinking was to take your $25,000 and put it towards the best S2000 plus modifications that you can find out there.

I think that as soon as I saw that he wrote Lotus Elise as one of the cars he was considering, I thought, OK, so he's into something small, light, a sports car, good handling. And yeah, you can get a really, really nice S2000, low miles. And an S2000 is not going to be going down in price or depreciating at all these days.

They are only going up actually, so that will solve your big depreciation problem. And you will have a great time doing it. If you want to put a little more money into it but maybe don't spend all $25,000 on the purchase, you can get a supercharger, get a nice exhaust, do some suspension modifications. And you could take that car to the track and have a blast with it. So if you're not going to buy the Viper, which I actually think that might be the most fun you could have for around that price, then the S2000's the one.

GREG MIGLIORE: Cool, love all of those suggestions. For this, I would probably think Porsche. I have friends who have bought sort of early to mid 2000s Porsches, and they've enjoyed them. They're fun cars, and you can still get a decent deal on them. Just kind of looking through different sites here, you can get an '01 Cabriolet for about $22,000.

That's not bad. This one's a very handsome looking car. It's sort of that turn of the century Porsche 911. Maybe go with the Cabriolet, just because, hey, why not? It's a convertible. It's fun.

That would be, I guess, my official answer, but what I would also do is spend a week just on, you know, check out the Autoblog listings. Shameless plug, but get on Bring a Trailer, get on Autotrader. Just have some fun. Because to me, just the search would be a lot of fun here.

But yeah, I mean, I'm still thinking kind of Porsche. I could see an older three series you could get for considerably cheaper than that actually depending on how many miles you're willing to take. A lot of different things you could do here, but that would be my answer. Look for maybe a 15 to 20-year-old Porsche 911.

Consider a Cayman or a Boxster, too, maybe. Those can be a little bit cheaper, so there's that. But yeah, that's where I would land. So joining us now on the show is Jean Jennings. I like to call her the incomparable Jean Jennings.

You will remember her probably for all of her time at Automobile Magazine, one of the co-founders of that legendary book. Also, of course, spent some time at Car and Driver, and Jean was a taxi driver at one point. Really interesting career. It spans a lot of different generations. Definitely check out her work, but welcome, Jean. Thanks for joining us today.

JEAN JENNINGS: It's nice to hear your voice. The only voice I've been hearing is my husband's and my dogs barking.

GREG MIGLIORE: All right, I'll take that as a compliment. My dog is asleep, so that's a good thing.

JEAN JENNINGS: No, it really is good to hear you, and you know, you can tell people, too, that you are at Automobile Magazine as well. So there we go.

GREG MIGLIORE: That's true.

JEAN JENNINGS: My people are everywhere. They're everywhere, aren't they? The Automobile Magazine people are everywhere.

GREG MIGLIORE: It's quite the alumni base, right?

JEAN JENNINGS: It is. It is. A lot of famous people now out there. I remember when I was walking out the door. When I was walking out the door, I said, don't cry for me, Argentina. You will all learned from the masters here, and you're all going to get a job. And by the masters, I met [INAUDIBLE]. He has really loaded up Hagerty with quite a few Automobile alumni. Hasn't he?

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah, they have a really beautiful book over there. I mean, just all the-- I mean, it's a great car culture magazine. I love reading them. It's really deep bench too.

JEAN JENNINGS: Yes, it is. So anyway, I was interrupting you. You carry on.

GREG MIGLIORE: I'm just curious what you're up to these days.

JEAN JENNINGS: Well, for the last year and a half, I've been working on a race car museum in Florida. And that has been the most amazing turn of a career that I could never have imagined, so it's the Brumos collection. Brumos was the unofficial Porsche racing team for America, because they didn't officially race in America.

But they backed this dealer group, which was owned by Peter Gregg, one of the most famous road racing drivers of all time. I mean, he was an amazing driver. He bought Brumos, the dealership. Oh, and I should say, Brumo stands for the Brundage Motors.

Brundage was the family that also brought-- they started Formula V Racing, and they were VW people. So they started VW in the United States, the Brundage family. So anyway, Brumos became quite a conglomerate of dealerships owned by one man who was kind of in the background. He was in the background.

Bob Snodgrass ran Brumos and was just a total car fanatic. And Dan Davis, who started and built this museum, his collection of cars were stashed in garages and getting restored all over Florida and all over the United States. So all that time, he was planning this museum, which was he really wanted to restore an old Ford manufacturing plant in Jacksonville, Florida.

But when they did a site survey, they realized that the saltwater had rotted the bottom of the museum or this big building, huge building. So he hired an architect, recreated this building. It is spectacular looking, and then I ran into him at Rennsport, two years ago, out in Monterrey. And he said, I want to show you my baby. And he showed me this architectural drawing on his phone, and I said, what's that?

And he said, that's my new museum I'm building. And I said-- I had this like bolt of lightning from God right into my brain, and my mouth opened. And I said, did you hire anyone yet to write about the cars? And he said, no, I haven't. And then he apparently got the same bolt, because he said, you want to do it?

And I went, oh yeah, I want to do it, and I have plenty of time. So that's how we came together. And within a couple of months of that conversation, I was down in Jacksonville, and we were talking about it. And that was that. I pretty much moved in, so I spent the last polar vortices in Jacksonville.

Thank god, and Summer was a little-- you know, that was a little buggy. There was a snake or two. But I'll tell you what. That job has been-- I mean, I have three cars left, by the way, to write about that I'm-- research is in front of me on the table right now. So I have a couple of midgets, and I have a champ car dirt car to write about. And then I'm pretty much done, but the museum opened right before the proverbial virus hit the fan and immediately shut down. So plenty of time to work in the background.

Thousands of people had hit the museum right before this happened, because the opening coincided with the Amelia Island Concourse. So we had Porsche executives, and we had the Brundage family came in. And the museum is just remarkable. You can see a couple of views of cars and overheads at thebrumoscollection.com. And you'll want to go there immediately. It's split in two.

There's a wave of a wall that holds trophies and racing memorabilia that split two halves of the museum. One half, we called the four runners. Those are all the Millers. And if you don't know about Millers, they are mine. They are mine. Those are the ones.

I've driven many of them on the Milwaukee Mile, wrote a story in Automobile Magazine with Preston Lerner. We wrote a couple. He wrote the big story, and I wrote, of course, the ridiculous column about getting stuck in one of the Millers, until some guys had to pull me up by my butt.

I'm not kidding you. Each one, they grabbed my butt cheeks and pulled me out of the car, this like 12 inch wide car. So anyway, I've driven the cars. I wrote almost every one of the Millers ever. I wrote those cars in the museum. On the other side of the wall are the front runners, so we have the fore runners, the front runners. And those are all of the Brumos Porsche racing cars.

I mean, you just can't believe the cars that are in there. All of Hurley Heywood's championship cars. The 917 was the biggest. That was [INAUDIBLE] car, and it'll just blow your mind. It will blow your mind when you see this museum, so I'll stop talking right now.

You can tell that this has been an incredible opportunity for me to do something different with what I know, you know? I'm going to go back to, by the way, doing the old thing I knew, which is reviewing cars. I have a gig doing that too, so there we go. That's what I'm doing.

GREG MIGLIORE: What was that website, again, for the Brumos Museum?

JEAN JENNINGS: It was the, T-H-E, brumos, B-R-U-M-O-S, collection.com, thebrumoscollection.com.

GREG MIGLIORE: Beautful. Yeah, you got to check that out. For everybody listening at home, it's really a cool, cool setup. I remember that column you did about the Miller. I was pretty new at Automobile at that time, and I was proofing it. Because we did all those-- what do they call them, galley copies or whatever they were called?

JEAN JENNINGS: Right, right.

GREG MIGLIORE: And I was like, wow, I can't believe this went down how she's explaining it.

JEAN JENNINGS: I'll tell you that I have-- I also brought in Martin Goddard, one of the great photographers of all time. He goes back to the first issue of Automobile Magazine in 1985. He came in and shot everything. I have a massive collection of the photos he took, so you can't even-- I mean, think of my screensaver.

It's like a dream. It was a dream. My whole life has been a dream. There is no doubt. I'm the most blessed person I can think of, and I just can't tell you, you know? It kind of blows me away at this stage of my life and with my thatch of white hair, you know? It's quite amazing. Yeah.

GREG MIGLIORE: Auto journalism I think is a great-- it's one of, I think, the professions that is really just the craziest mix of being in the right place at the right time. Of course skill, but also just kind of, like, things bouncing the right way, you know? And sometimes they bounce the wrong way.

But, you know, I feel like other fields are way more linear. They're more organized in how you advance. But sometimes it really is just how things kind of shake out.

JEAN JENNINGS: This is-- this is a profession of art. It's an artful thing. You have to have, you know, for-- it's very hard to hire the right people. So what you need are people that love and know cars and they can write. They can't just be good writers. We've tried that. That doesn't work.

We've tried famous writers and, you know, they write a story and you're, like, oh, god. Anybody who loves cars and reads the story the famous writer wrote is going to go, oh my god, what has happened? One good one-- I mean one fabulous thing I nailed was Jerry Seinfeld writing two stories for us. So that was-- that was the perfect one because he loved cars.

I sent him to drive the-- to the press trip in Europe for the Carrera GT. So I couldn't go. We were all doing our 10 best that week and it was horrible. So Eddie Alterman was working for me then and he was sitting in my office when I had Seinfeld on the phone and I said, hey, you know we've been trying to put something together for you. You want-- how about there's this-- a new Saab coming out? And I want to send you to the Saab museum.

And he goes, Saab? Saab? Are you kidding me? OK. How about the Carrera GT? And he went, now we're talking. So I said, unfortunately, that press trip has come and gone. The US press trip has gone, so I'll have to put you in with the Croatians and, you know, all the eastern European group.

And he said, OK. And I said, no. And he goes, I'll fly. And he said, I'll fly private. And I said, what? What does that mean? He goes, I mean I'll hire a plane and fly there. You don't have to set up my plane. And I said, I'm not paying for it. And he said-- he goes, of course you aren't.

And then he arrived back in the states and I was getting off a plane in LA for something-- my phone rang and he-- he just said, that was amazing. And I said, OK, let's talk about your deadline. And he said, deadline? Deadline? Who could sleep? It's done? I was blown away.

I mean, he was my ultimate hire. And then I had to like beat on him to get another story out of him. And then he finally said, why do you think I quit-- I've quit Seinfeld? I don't want to work. So we had our moment in the sun.

I don't know where that story was going. But all my stories you know-- you know, Greg-- all my stories are like that. They all just go somewhere.

GREG MIGLIORE: [INAUDIBLE]

JEAN JENNINGS: Come where I'm not. I don't know. From the depths.

GREG MIGLIORE: It's a great story. I'm reading it right now. On February '04, this is one of the archives that you can-- from Automobile-- it's a long history that you can actually just find by doing some Googling and--

JEAN JENNINGS: Really? I don't know about that.

GREG MIGLIORE: This is a heck-- this is a heck of a story.

JEAN JENNINGS: I don't know about that archive. Send me that link before we hang up today.

GREG MIGLIORE: I will absolutely do it. It's-- it's quite the piece of writing. It's--

JEAN JENNINGS: Are you talking about Jerry's? Yeah. Isn't that my--

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah.

JEAN JENNINGS: His review-- amazing. It was amazing wasn't it? We laughed the whole time. That really worked. Yup. That-- that raved. We had him on the front cover. We had him once before when he and I first met and it was during the earthquake in California in LA.

And I was supposed to be going to the VW studio in Oxnard to see that Concept 1 Beetle. And I-- I had-- I was at the auto show when it was revealed at the auto show. And I got back to the office and the Amy Skogstrom, the managing editor who now runs Porsche Panorama-- she's the managing editor there, she-- she said, hey, you're not going to believe this. But Jerry Seinfeld called here looking for you. And it was 7 o'clock at night.

And I said, what? And she said, oh, and please forgive me. Because when he said he-- first of all he said, this is Jerry Seinfeld. I said, really? And he said, really. And then he said, I-- you know, is Jean Lindamood there? And-- and she said, I'm really sorry Jean, but then I said, why do you want to talk to her? [LAUGHS] Nice one. Nice one, Amy.

So I called him back and his secretary-- whoever answered the phone said, he wants to talk to you right away. And he said, I saw that VW on the cover of USA today on the front page. Did you see it? What's it like? And I said, well actually, I am going to Oxnard to talk to VW guys and drive that car-- kind of.

And I said, you want to go with me? And he said, you know something? I never get to do anything I want. But I can do this I'm free right then. Then came the earthquake. So he came anyway. I went anyway. It was pretty lumpy out there. And he brought his first girlfriend, Shoshanna Lowenstein, who was kind of crawling all over him and-- the whole time, you know, like the way those 19-year-olds do.

So anyway he interviewed them-- he interviewed Frank Saucedo who was lead in the studio and I just-- just recorded it and it was hilarious-- hilarious. And that's what I ran. And then I put a picture of him on the cover and he called me later and was furious.

And he said, are you ser-- you-- you-- the picture you put on the cover I look like an idiot. And I was-- I said, are you kidding me? Are you joking right now? He said, no I'm not. He said, you have ruined my dream. I always wanted to be in an automotive magazine. I was so excited and you've ruined it for me.

And I went, oh my god. Do you remember seeing it? And I said, have you ever seen "Absence of Malice" where Sally Fields writes this terrible story and the girl that she writes it about, you know, wakes up in the morning and runs across all the-- the lawns picking up the newspaper sobbing and then kills herself. And I said, did you ever see that? He goes, I did.

And I said, well it's already been printed and I can't pick them back up. And we didn't speak for 10 years. And it was wild. And then we all got over it and, you know, so we've had a good-- good relationship since then. OK. That was pretty-- that's pretty intense story. Sorry.

GREG MIGLIORE: I think the headline is just the time you sent Jerry Seinfeld on a press trip. I mean that's-- there you go, right?

JEAN JENNINGS: Yeah.

GREG MIGLIORE: I mean that's-- boil it right down.

JEAN JENNINGS: So I killed my lead. Eddie was in the room.

GREG MIGLIORE: Buried the lead, maybe.

JEAN JENNINGS: I buried the lead. I didn't kill it. I buried the lead. Eddie is sitting in my room just, you know, languishing as usual and-- in my office-- and so I'm talking to Seinfeld and he's all excited and Seinfeld goes, what's a press trip? And Eddie goes, it's like-- it's-- it's like hanging out with people you can't stand.

It's like a fabulous vacation with people you can't stand. I was like, oh, that's nice. That's real nice. Well, you know, he was a little-- he was a little sharp then. Very sharp.

GREG MIGLIORE: I mean, you know, I think we've all been on press trips like that to be honest. So, you know, I mean he's not wrong.

JEAN JENNINGS: Dutch Mandel, whose dad was the editor for years of Autoweek always played this game on press trips where you'd, you know, you'd always be stuck at some point with just the journalist and not the engineers or the executives. Except for my because I was usually the only girl so they wanted to sit with a girl.

So anyway, he would he would have this game and he'd say you'd have to pick the worst press trip. You'd-- you'd come up with so who is the-- the journalist you-- you would just hate to have with you? Who is the worst PR person? What was the worst car? And you would, like, come up with your-- the worst press trip.

Now, you know, I was never that crabby. I might have been crabby later in years, but I could not believe how jaded those old guys were and now I'm an old guy but I don't feel very jaded. I feel, like, so excited to drive a new car-- any car. I can't wait. I have a Camry TRD coming here.

My first test car in a year and a half because I've been at the museum. So this is amusing. It'll be totally disinfected. The key will be disinfected. I will be disinfected. And terrified that I'll have to get out of the car at any point during my drive-- get infected. So in any case, yeah.

GREG MIGLIORE: I think that's-- it's an interesting time to kind of jump back into reviewing cars, you know--

JEAN JENNINGS: Yeah, don't you think?

GREG MIGLIORE: --when you think of, like-- I mean, the last couple people have dropped mine off, they leave it on the street. The keys are under the mats or in the cup holders.

JEAN JENNINGS: Not allowed to go there. Not allowed to go near the car. That's the problem.

GREG MIGLIORE: Right.

JEAN JENNINGS: Yeah, you can't go near it.

GREG MIGLIORE: Let is sit.

JEAN JENNINGS: Yeah. And you can't go near the person who brought it. You know, and you know I'm a little more huggy. I'm, you know, when they come to bring a car out here to the farm I always send them away with a box full of hostas I've dug up on the spot and put in a box.

GREG MIGLIORE: That sounds nice.

JEAN JENNINGS: Yeah, well it used to be. But I can't even say hello to my people anymore. Anyway.

GREG MIGLIORE: Well, maybe if you kind of yell at them across the driveway from like 6 to 10 feet, you know, maybe. I don't know.

JEAN JENNINGS: I think--

GREG MIGLIORE: The last couple of guys have texted me.

JEAN JENNINGS: So I'm-- they'll have a look of terror on their faces, I'm pretty sure, if I step outside the door and wave.

GREG MIGLIORE: It's true.

JEAN JENNINGS: Down come over here. Anyway. So I think we'll get-- this-- this is going to be a long time situation. It's going to get sorted out. The new normal we'll-- we'll carry on. And I think a lot of it will stick for quite a long time. And I just don't-- I hope a virus doesn't stick for a long time.

But, you know, we're in Michigan where our poor governor has to give a press-- a press conference with-- you can see-- did you see the picture of the gun barrels all around her in the crowd? Like long guns. Gun barrels up in the air while she's trying to talk about social distancing. And they're-- oh my god.

This is Michigan. This is Michigan. I mean we had a lot of militia here, but we all-- I mean-- it's a little bit rough. And I feel for her. I think she's great. I decided--

GREG MIGLIORE: [INAUDIBLE]

JEAN JENNINGS: --to figure out this minute Trump called her, that woman in Michigan. So anyway. I'm-- I'm paying attention. I'm paying attention because I'm-- I'm diabetic and I think you don't want to mess with-- with any of that stuff. You just want to get through to the other side.

GREG MIGLIORE: Wash your hands, right? Just keep washing your hands and, you know.

JEAN JENNINGS: I'm of an age-- you wash your hands enough and the back of your hands get really, really shiny. I mean super shiny. There's no epidermis or any dermis.

GREG MIGLIORE: That's interesting.

JEAN JENNINGS: And it actually-- it's as smooth as a baby's butt right now. Really. You wash your hands as much as I do because I have dogs. You have a dog. Don't you have a dog?

GREG MIGLIORE: I do. She's a 2-year-old-- 3-year-old golden retriever.

JEAN JENNINGS: Oh my god. I had 11 golden retrievers in my time. And they're so sweet and nice. And they're perfect for your little boy.

GREG MIGLIORE: They-- they both get along. They had a good wrestle last night before they got on the bed. So it's good.

JEAN JENNINGS: Oh my god.

GREG MIGLIORE: It's good.

JEAN JENNINGS: That's so nice.

GREG MIGLIORE: You know, they're friends.

JEAN JENNINGS: Very nice. So what kind of cars are you looking forward to getting back into?

GREG MIGLIORE: Well, I have an Acura NSX coming on Monday, I think. I'm going to--

JEAN JENNINGS: Shut the front door.

GREG MIGLIORE: Right. Yeah. It'll be fun. I'll have to, you know, Clorox it and all that good stuff. I-- they do it but then I do it too. So, you know, a little OCD here. But-- so it'll be fun. You know.

JEAN JENNINGS: Oh my gosh, yeah? That'd be great. I'm looking for something exciting like that. Yeah.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah, it's-- this one, I think, is just getting back into the fleet so that'll be cool. And then I have an MDX currently at my curb which I've been ignoring for a few days. But I going to go do some errands in it today-- some essential errands. Let's put it that way and, you know, all that good stuff.

JEAN JENNINGS: Well I'm going to go in slow and steady.

GREG MIGLIORE: Yeah.

JEAN JENNINGS: Very slow and steady. And I don't really care. I'm-- I'm going to be writing reviews for Amazon Autos. And so they're going to be consumer facing reviews-- pretty long form consumer facing reviews. They're a little interesting to find. Yeah it's like Amazon Autos slash vehicles.

I couldn't find it at first and I was supposed to be writing for them. Amazon Auto slash vehicles. And they have zillions of reviews. Zillions and reviews on there. So I'm going to add my two cents shortly and surely.

GREG MIGLIORE: Very cool. I didn't know that was a thing.

JEAN JENNINGS: Yeah I-- I'm going to come up with some-- I have to, like, pack a few stories off to you. That's what I'm going to do. Yeah.

GREG MIGLIORE: We did some vile gossip I think, right?

JEAN JENNINGS: I'm-- I'm actually chomping at the bit to do some vile gossip because I was-- I fool hearted-- I was foolhardy when I announced that I would be writing a book in the year 2020. And we're moving right on through 2020. So I-- you know, you're going to be the-- you're going to be the recipient of the early-- the early stories that will end up in my book. How's that?

GREG MIGLIORE: I think that sounds like a pretty good deal. I like it.

JEAN JENNINGS: OK. All right. I'll get back to you on that. In the meantime. In the meantime.

GREG MIGLIORE: All right, well I think-- I think that's about all the time we have. So we'll-- thanks for joining us, Jean. It's good to catch up. It's good to hear all the-- the latest, you know, goings on in your life. Very interesting. The dogs. The time you sent Jerry Seinfeld on a press trip. That's, like, literally the-- you're the only guest on the podcast who can have that kind of story. So thanks so much for joining us.

JEAN JENNINGS: Oh, thank you.

GREG MIGLIORE: It was really good to talk to you.

JEAN JENNINGS: Thanks for inviting me. I-- I'm so relieved that it was audio only. And, you know, another time I might present my white hair. So--

GREG MIGLIORE: All right.

JEAN JENNINGS: --there we go. Greg, have a great day. And take care of your family. Wash your hands you filthy animal. And all you filthy animals out there wash your hands. Don't stop washing until you can see your own face in the back of your hands like I do. And

I'm going out to take the stray dogs right now and hope they haven't torn up the bedroom. But you know what? All they do is crawl under the covers when I'm not there and then look-- then look guilty when I walk in. They're like, oh, god. Black hair everywhere you go stray mutts. OK. All good, Greg. Take it easy.

GREG MIGLIORE: Thanks, Jean. Good to talk to you.

JEAN JENNINGS: Bye, bye.

GREG MIGLIORE: Bye, now.

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